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8-10-2017 10:51 AM
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8-10-2017 10:46 AMafktan wrote  This is not a technology issue, its a capacity and cost issue. China has the capacity to manufacture many things cheaply, it doesn't mean that other countries don't the technology to build these things.

That is very interesting!

India, with huge population and extremely cheap labour, should be able to take over that role of China very quickly! thumbs up
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8-10-2017 10:51 AM
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8-10-2017 10:39 AMafktan wrote  Lmfao... dream on. 99% of the parts that are inside the device that you used to write this laughable post came from a US or European company, China is just a fabrication centre, they are still a long way away from leading the world in computing.

Show evidence of your claim of 99% of the parts from US and European co.

https://www.top500.org/lists/2017/06/
US is not even in the top 3 positions.
1. China, 2. China 3. Switzerland

Quote:JUNE 2017
TOP500 LIST

In the latest rankings, the Sunway TaihuLight, a system developed by China’s National Research Center of Parallel Computer Engineering & Technology (NRCPC) and installed at the National Supercomputing Center in Wuxi, maintains its top position. With a Linpack performance of 93 petaflops, TaihuLight is far and away the most powerful number-cruncher on the planet.

Tianhe-2, (Milky Way-2), a system developed by China’s National University of Defense Technology (NUDT) and deployed at the National Supercomputer Center in Guangzho, China, occupies the number two position with a Linpack mark of 33.9 petaflops. Tianhe-2 was the number one system in the TOP500 list for three consecutive years, until TaihuLight eclipsed it in June 2016.

The new number three supercomputer is the upgraded Piz Daint, a Cray XC50 system installed at the Swiss National Supercomputing Centre (CSCS). The upgrade was accomplished with additional NVIDIA Tesla P100 GPUs, doubling the Linpack performance of the system’s previous mark of 9.8 petaflops in November 2016, which itself was the result of a significant upgrade. Piz Daint’s current Linpack result of 19.6 petaflops enabled the system to climb five positions in the rankings.

As a result of the Piz Daint upgrade, Titan, a Cray XK7 system installed at the Department of Energy’s (DOE) Oak Ridge National Laboratory, drops to number four in the rankings. Its Linpack mark of 17.6 petaflops has remained constant since it was installed in 2012.
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8-10-2017 10:53 AM
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8-10-2017 10:49 AMafktan wrote  Its purely business, theres nothing altruistic about it. They invest in China, transfer some technology over, in return they get cheaply manufactured goods and higher profit margins, US corporate margins have gone up tremendously in the last 20 years, its all thanks to offshoring production.

American government don't seem to agree with you!

https://www.export.gov/article?id=China-U-S-Export-Controls

China - U.S. Export Controls

Includes the U.S. government export controls that companies need to abide by when exporting to this country.
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8-10-2017 11:02 AM
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8-10-2017 10:46 AMafktan wrote  This is not a technology issue, its a capacity and cost issue. China has the capacity to manufacture many things cheaply, it doesn't mean that other countries don't possess the technology to build these things.

Do you know that this is a technolotgy that is in US banned list for export to China? US years ago banned this technology and limit that only the 9-ton machine can be sold to China and US can only build to capacity of 20 tons.

But China built finally up to 70 tons way way ahead of US. So US asked to buy from China machine of 50 tons that it can't build. China agreed but with stringent conditions military confidentiality.

This is a critical technology for testing vibration of spaceship before the spaceship can be sent to space. You better learn first before you utter.

Rolling on the flor laughing
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8-10-2017 11:02 AM
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8-10-2017 10:51 AMhades wrote  That is very interesting!

India, with huge population and extremely cheap labour, should be able to take over that role of China very quickly! thumbs up

Red herring. I did not say that any other country can replicate China's core competency (low cost production of products that meet specifications) easily, I said China is not leading the world in computing, space technology, etc. Don't confuse production with technology, they are not the same thing. Singapore has a biomedical hub but most drugs were not designed here, they are merely manufactured here.
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8-10-2017 11:04 AM
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8-10-2017 10:34 AMSuperiorMover wrote  China is not only ahead of Singapore only, in many core industrial technology, it is even leading world supreme power USA.

These areas include space station, global guided navigation, missile system, pilotless flying object, computer chips and high speed supercomputer etc.

As much as this may irk some forumers, China is not leading the USA in space exploration, global navigation systems, missile system or UAVs. It can be, if it can overtake them. But the US and Europe are not exactly sitting on their laurels.

China is definitely catching up but it is suffering from a disparity in the make up of its talent pool when compared tp the US. The US and China spend almost the same amount of money on R&D, but the US population of 300 million was able to produce 300,000 scientific papers, compared to China's 1.1billion who published only 100,000. That says something about the ability of the US to attract high quality talent.

But China makes up for this gap through its own ways - industrial espionage, reverse engineering and so on.
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8-10-2017 11:05 AM
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8-10-2017 10:51 AMSuperiorMover wrote  Show evidence of your claim of 99% of the parts from US and European co.

https://www.top500.org/lists/2017/06/
US is not even in the top 3 positions.
1. China, 2. China 3. Switzerland

Fool doesn't know what it takes to build a supercomputer. Laughing

The supercomputer is merely assembled with tons of parts that are designed by US companies like NVIDIA. You put enough GPUs together you will get a powerful computing unit.
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8-10-2017 11:06 AM
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But Singapore ministers are paid miles ahead of China.
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8-10-2017 11:06 AM
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8-10-2017 11:02 AMafktan wrote  Red herring. I did not say that any other country can replicate China's core competency (low cost production of products that meet specifications) easily, I said China is not leading the world in computing, space technology, etc. Don't confuse production with technology, they are not the same thing. Singapore has a biomedical hub but most drugs were not designed here, they are merely manufactured here.

You mean India does have low cost and the capacity?

You mean American and European companies are allowed to share their space technology wit China? Surprised
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8-10-2017 11:08 AM
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8-10-2017 10:53 AMhades wrote  American government don't seem to agree with you!

https://www.export.gov/article?id=China-U-S-Export-Controls

China - U.S. Export Controls

Includes the U.S. government export controls that companies need to abide by when exporting to this country.

Its obvious that some tech (military tech for example) can't be exported (to anywhere, not just to China), controls are inevitable.
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