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SAF needs to stop treating NSmen like slaves/ mercenaries if Singapore is to defe
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29-3-2016 8:56 AM
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SAF needs to stop treating NSmen like slaves/ mercenaries if Singapore is to defend herself successfully.

It is absurd that SAF reservist remuneration schemes seems to discredit the objective military appointments/ performance of NSmen gleaned from their 2.5yrs of NSF training experience and prefers to remunerate NSmen in a very biased, subjective manner based upon their civilian salaries (commercial worth), as if SAF were some medieval colonial naval entity heavily involved in slave trading, the employment of mercenaries and other immoral/ illicit activities (e.g. the kidnapping slaves from Africa, British India Company forcibly importing Opium into China).

I say this because for SAF to remain a cohesive fighting force of professional and committed men of at least 2yrs full time military training, SAF has to professionalise/ personalise its NSmen remuneration schemes, rather than irresponsibly attach a reservist soldier's value to his commercial value: since this only encourages generations of NSmen to find excuses to downgrade/ avoid military liabilities in lieu of striving for a higher civilian salary, as evidenced in the fact that an unbelievable >60% of NSmen have since successfully applied for medical downgrades, so serious, "Vast majority of NSmen not even fit to take physical fitness test(?let alone able to pass it?).".

It is my suspicion that the currently irrelevant and unmeritocratic way in which Singaporean NSmen are remunerated severely distorts the values and objectives of the SAF to the extent that many see the SAF as designed to defend the commercial interest of the rich and affluent rather than the welfare and wellbeing of all Singaporeans: since by current reservist remuneration criteria, lower regular waged NSmen get the short end of the stick (no matter if they has worked hard during NSF or serve in critical high risk/ responsibility duties in NS).

I thus suggest that for all bonafide NSmen trainings, test/ examinations not of a remedial/ punitive nature, a minimum pro-rata of the equivalent ranked/ appointment regular serviceman salary be paid and the concept of make up pay be retired. (WRT remedial training/ re-test due to poor performance/ failure to perform to defined standards, only the usual service pay ought be paid).

I reference the following facts to define my case:
According to 'Overview of Operationally Ready National Serviceman (NSmen) Payment': 'Service Pay': ...The NSman will be paid pro-rated service pay depending on the duration of his NS training. A minimum sum equivalent to half-day service pay will be paid for NS activity of 4 hours or less. http://www.ns.sg/cs/content/eServices/mindef/NSmen%20Payments%20(nspay)/General%20Information/c-mf_nspay_gi_overview.html

The following slide is sourced from http://www.ns.sg/cs/content/eServices/mindef/NSmen%20Payments%20(nspay)/Document/c-mf_nspay_paymentmatters_briefing_slides.pdf , titled: 'NSmen Payments Matters', Updated in Jun 15, NSmen Payments Centre, MINDEF Shared Services)
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In essence, I suspect that not few NSmen are indeed being paid BOTH service pay as well as their normal full monthly salaries by their companies (company claims this from SAF but SAF does not reclaim service pay from NSman) resulting in a significantly biased remuneration scheme which can only be better explained with the example of SAF being a medieval corporate entity, with subjects(NSmen) being divided into 2 distinct classes of slaves (only paid pittance 'service-pay/ allowance') vs the mercenaries (receive their hourly ransome PLUS allowance).

This kind of blatant, inequitable double standard treatment will certainly severely penalize NSmen who are retrenched, studying, between jobs, sabbatical leave, house husbands, taking care of ill relatives, unstable income source or paid lump sum fees at intervals with no formal documentation, project based work in across different continents, structurally under-employed, anyone without black-white proof of regular salary/ too onerous to declare locally, un/ underpaid due to poor-business/ failure etc and cause NSmen to view the SAF as an economic tool/ device to prop up GDP statistics at all costs: thus subjugating the professionalism of a robust fighting force to the short term concern of boosting commercial (GDP) statistics.

The internet seems pretty rife with discussions along the lines, e.g. of "Minimum pay(salary) to evade ICT"

It is thus my heartfelt suggestion that in objective recognition for an NSman's sweat and toil during his 2-2.5yrs of NS fulltime (NSF) training, for whatever bonafide reservist test, trainings or courses and NSman should undergo, the pro rata equivalent of a regular serviceman's salary ought be paid in recognition for the skill and sacrifices an NSman has made.

Let the following negative reactions to NS be the exception rather than the norm that the majority of lower wage earning NSmen feel inside, let every Singaporean not feel shortchanged by NS. Lower wage Singaporeans should not have their past military experience discounted and high wage Singaporeans should not use NS as an opportunity to profit more than deserved.

Young NSF recruit enlistees must enter with the mindset that no matter what their future economic fortunes/ misfortunes, they would always be equitably remunerated for their reservist postings/ trainings and that exaggerating medical conditions to evade reservist liabilities in lieu improving one's commercial value does not pay.
Where NSmen perceive SAF as a professional organisation both in conduct and in remuneration of NSmen, a good reputation of SAF amongst NSmen would automatically follow.
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BTW:
Since NS is a duty and by definition involuntary, all reservists ought to be compensated pro-rata the equivalent regular serviceman (in equivalent appointment) salary, whatever one earns in civilian job capacity ought to be discounted for the 2 weeks or so reservist service and the economically well off shouldn't grumble but either perform the duties to their best ability or suggest to their manpower officer how NS could be better diversified and themselves be better deployed to perhaps new NS vocations serving the community at large: e.g. as accountants for charities, nurses and therapist in hospitals or even the training in new vocations to adopt new appoints during reservist e.g. logistics officer for someone now employed as logistician etc etc:
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(PS: All info referenced is official released/ publicly available and retrieved via Google search in internet, no secret military info referenced/ revealed here).

~ Matthew 25:40: "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'"- (NIV)
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29-3-2016 9:01 AM
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wah ... nowadays so good life still like slaves meh??
can $$$ defence SG?

all these young b@stard got free eat good good
go gym train until look like gorilla ...
yet little bit of thing die on the spot Laughing
sotw
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29-3-2016 9:02 AM
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Tell PM Lee if Singapore for everyone go get everyone for NS

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2014/05/pm-lee-comes-under-fire-for-controversial-remarks/

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29-12-2016 12:33 AMtalkingstocking wrote  Actually China should move its capital to Singapore!
PRC's ambition exposed!!! CCP want to abandon their polluted capital and move to Singapore
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29-3-2016 9:18 AM
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29-3-2016 9:01 AMfinind wrote  wah ... nowadays so good life still like slaves meh??
can $$$ defence SG?

all these young b@stard got free eat good good
go gym train until look like gorilla ...
yet little bit of thing die on the spot Laughing
sotw

walaneh! shock
Last time my allowance only $90 per month leh! Worried
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29-3-2016 9:20 AM
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Big_cherry is back again!! Again opposition going lose again Rolling on the flor laughing .. going around local forums to post his shits..really sh%t job lah dizzy
U not going hardwarezone to post? Kena ban? Rolling on the flor laughing

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29-3-2016 9:33 AM
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Got to provide NS serviceman to serve in aircon, 3 hot meals a day. If not they are considered by some as slavery. Small cows don't know what is a tiger.
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29-3-2016 9:39 AM
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29-3-2016 9:01 AMfinind wrote  Thread source: (SGtalk): SAF needs to stop treating NSmen like slaves/ mercenaries if Singapore is to defend herself successfully.
wah ... nowadays so good life still like slaves meh??
can $$$ defence SG?

all these young b@stard got free eat good good
go gym train until look like gorilla ...
yet little bit of thing die on the spot Laughing
sotw

Er, sorry, referring to NSmen reservist (NOT NSF), where reservist NS allowance/ pay is based not upon NS appointment or NSF performance but on individual's 'commercial value': those with high commercial value are paid more even if their duties in NS are few whilst those with higher duties in NS are paid lesser if their commercial value is deemed low: means that SAF is a mercenary organisation, reminiscent of medieval charted companies which were heavily involved in illicit/ immoral/ disgraceful practises like forcible opium importation to China, the trading of African slaves, looting and the invasion/ colonisation of foreign territories....
Just seemed to me that the SAF ought to outgrow its medieval or belligerent characteristics if it is to be accepted as a defensive and not belligerent force and also has much salvaging to do amongst singaporeans, especially the younger one who will increasingly doubt the true objectives of the SAF and wonder if the SAF is more so about defending rich individuals commercial interest and constantly give less well off servicemen the short end of the stick.

~ Matthew 25:40: "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'"- (NIV)
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29-3-2016 9:39 AM
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29-3-2016 9:20 AMEXBB wrote  Big_cherry is back again!! Again opposition going lose again Rolling on the flor laughing .. going around local forums to post his shits..really sh%t job lah dizzy
U not going hardwarezone to post? Kena ban? Rolling on the flor laughing

this shows that retarded CasaNoBrain is fleaking not doing its due diligence!!
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Kan-ni-na still got cheek to cumm forum shit this shit that
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29-3-2016 9:43 AM
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29-3-2016 9:39 AMBic_cherry wrote  Er, sorry, referring to NSmen reservist (NOT NSF), where reservist NS allowance/ pay is based not upon NS appointment or NSF performance but on individual's 'commercial value'

LaughingRolling on the flor laughing
oh my bad ... always very confuse with this retarded terms

but all old birdie are chow kain ... where got suffer?
2 weeks cannot take it?
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29-3-2016 9:47 AM
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29-3-2016 9:18 AMwalaneh wrote  walaneh! shock
Last time my allowance only $90 per month leh! Worried

29-3-2016 9:33 AMMigrant wrote  Got to provide NS serviceman to serve in aircon, 3 hot meals a day. If not they are considered by some as slavery. Small cows don't know what is a tiger.
Pls note that the issue discussed in this thread is about equitability NSmen RESERVIST remuneration and NOT NSF allowances nor living conditions.
Perceivably biased/ unfair remuneration policies have a detrimental overall impact on NSmen reservist commitment and sacrifice towards NS and thus the overall operability and readiness of the SAF to defend.

The lack of equitability and the sense that economically less well off NSmen receive the short end of the stick where reservist remuneration is concerned is ONE reason why many Singaporeans have a negative view of NS and breeds suspicion about their felow citizens who 'geng' during NS: which erodes the goodwill between men and has severe ultimate repercussions upon the goodwill/cohesion between all Singaporeans to a common cause or even the survivability of Singapore under terrorist challenge/ attack.

~ Matthew 25:40: "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'"- (NIV)
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