Hydroxychloroquine beats remdesivir in drug fight against Covid-19!!
#81
21-5-2020 7:30 PM
teeth53 said:
An Oconomowoc woman is warning people that the anti-malarial drug she took for 19 years, still caught covid-19 coronavirus.

Hydroxychloroquine, will not protect someone from COVID-19

https://www.wisn.com/article/woman-with-...9/32605139

For someone with a pre-medical lupus condition, the hydroxychloroquine she's taking is probably used up for treating
lupus. Thus she would have low levels of HCQ and susceptible to infection. She may want to know also that after taking HCQ for 19yrs, she doesn't have any of those health risks with HCQ (see below)! Wouldn't that be proof that HCQ use and long-term use are safe? Btw, she should have paid attention to details of what Trump is really taking - HCQ, Z-pak (Azithromycin) and Zinc. And so far, he's not infected and doesn't have any of the "potential" health risks with HCQ and he's not dead yet!!!


Quote:"There is a potential for cardiac abnormalities, abnormal heart rhythm, eye issues, retinopathy," said Dr. Joseph Rahimian, an abnormal disease specialist at NYU Langone Medical Center. "Those are all possible with its use.
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#83
21-5-2020 7:15 PM
FaTa said:
You should be asking ....are all recovered Covid-19 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine (w azithromycin, zinc) dead now or suffering severe side-effects as claimed by Washington post , WHO, FDA, CDC?

Well, my recovered friend is still alive & well w no side-effect....and Trump is still alive & well with no side-effect.

You all so clever...debunk that!

Cool
Aiyohyoh! Why you reply like that to me.
Did I attack use of hydroxychloroquine ?
On the contrary Rolling on the flor laughing.
I merely stated that all drugs have side effects.
You so clever, debunk that !!!
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#84
21-5-2020 7:49 PM
FaTa said:
Just sharing what worked and works on Covid-19 patients....by frontline doctors and patients!

You claim and bet "doing nothing" and "eating banana" recovered patients. Great! Show us the reports and videos
of doctors & patients saying that!

That's our difference.....facts vs fiction.

If you get infected by Covid-19, "do nothing" and "eat banana". Don't take "anyhow" hydroxychloroquine.
Ok?

Cool

not sure if you get it, the example of eating banana cure corona virus is just drawing a parallel to show you how ridiculous it is to based on a "friend" experience in drawing conclusion on confirming a treatment is effective... hehe...
Hate to be the one to break it to you, not everything you find on youtube should be touted as facts, critical thinking is important.

I get it, different people have different tolerance for the hard truth, people with low tolerance , out of desperation will choose to accept any "alternate fact" that makes them feels good... I feel bad for these people having to live in such fears...
but for them to go on to get assurance by getting more people believing in falsehood and potentially harming people in the process, thats where the line has to be drawn.
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#85
22-5-2020 12:40 AM
Black_Horse said:
not sure if you get it, the example of eating banana cure corona virus is just drawing a parallel to show you how ridiculous it is to based on a "friend" experience in drawing conclusion on confirming a treatment is effective... hehe...
Hate to be the one to break it to you, not everything you find on youtube should be touted as facts, critical thinking is important.

I get it, different people have different tolerance for the hard truth, people with low tolerance , out of desperation will choose to accept any "alternate fact" that makes them feels good... I feel bad for these people having to live in such fears...
but for them to go on to get assurance by getting more people believing in falsehood and potentially harming people in the process, thats where the line has to be drawn.

Oh I do get it...and so does everyone else....what works and what doesn't!

Haha....nice try. According to you, the Covid-19 patients who had recovered from taking hydroxychloroquine must be false, that's falsehood and potentially harming themselves and others.

I have showed everyone what doctors and Covid-19 patients are saying about their own recoveries....using the HCQ protocol. You advocate banana, doing nothing.....but no proof. No proof everybody can see your falsehood and attempt to confuse and undermine HCQ protocol used by many doctors and Covid-19 patients.

Btw, one lupus lady who had been using hydroxychloroquine for 19 years have no complaints of any of
the health risks associated with its use (cardiac abnormalities, abnormal heart rhythm, eye issues, retinopathy). What does that tell you about hydroxychloroquine's safety use and the associated health risks?

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#86
22-5-2020 10:20 AM
FaTa said:
Oh I do get it...and so does everyone else....what works and what doesn't!

Haha....nice try. According to you, the Covid-19 patients who had recovered from taking hydroxychloroquine must be false, that's falsehood and potentially harming themselves and others.

I have showed everyone what doctors and Covid-19 patients are saying about their own recoveries....using the HCQ protocol. You advocate banana, doing nothing.....but no proof. No proof everybody can see your falsehood and attempt to confuse and undermine HCQ protocol used by many doctors and Covid-19 patients.

Btw, one lupus lady who had been using hydroxychloroquine for 19 years have no complaints of any of
the health risks associated with its use (cardiac abnormalities, abnormal heart rhythm, eye issues, retinopathy). What does that tell you about hydroxychloroquine's safety use and the associated health risks?

Cool

Now you are just dishonest twisting my words saying i advocate for banana as treatment Angry
I use banana as an example to show you, by your logic, banana can also be touted as a successful cure.. hehe

I didn't say "Covid-19 patients who had recovered from taking hydroxychloroquine must be false" I am saying there is not enough if any proof that taking it will help , until then, anyone spreading unproven treatment with potential fatal side effect is irresponsible, there is a different you know....

Like some of the fellow forumer mentioned, and i agree, the only way to prove if a drug has any impact on the treatment is to do a double-blind test with good enough sample size, but doing such test takes resources and have alot of risk as it require half of the test subjects actually taking the drugs, until then, its probably difficult for you, but you have to resist "promoting" it just because you watch a few you tube videos that convinces you, because its irresponsible and wrong !
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#87
22-5-2020 11:48 AM
Black_Horse said:
Now you are just dishonest twisting my words saying i advocate for banana as treatment Angry
I use banana as an example to show you, by your logic, banana can also be touted as a successful cure.. hehe

I didn't say "Covid-19 patients who had recovered from taking hydroxychloroquine must be false" I am saying there is not enough if any proof that taking it will help , until then, anyone spreading unproven treatment with potential fatal side effect is irresponsible, there is a different you know....

Like some of the fellow forumer mentioned, and i agree, the only way to prove if a drug has any impact on the treatment is to do a double-blind test with good enough sample size, but doing such test takes resources and have alot of risk as it require half of the test subjects actually taking the drugs, until then, its probably difficult for you, but you have to resist "promoting" it just because you watch a few you tube videos that convinces you, because its irresponsible and wrong !

Quote:Now you are just dishonest twisting my words saying i advocate for banana as treatment Angry
I use banana as an example to show you, by your logic, banana can also be touted as a successful cure.. hehe

That's very clear who is twisting whose words and not honest about it. Banana cure came from you, not me.
Doing nothing came from you, not me. You made it up out of your own imagination, not based on real cases
and real people and you blame me for that?! Is that your double-blind way and fictitious claims!

The fact remains (not false) hydroxychloroquine protocol used by many doctors and Covid-19 patients and shared by them have seen them recovered and saved their lives. I guess based on your reasoning, they're irresponsible and wrong to advocate their hydroxychloroquine protocol treatment for Covid-19 patients that saved them.
Should one use hydroxychloroquine? FDA has this advisory.

Quote:FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn said on Tuesday: “The decision to take any drug is ultimately a decision between a patient and their doctor."
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#89
This is huge! It was already known....how to prevent and treat SARS-COV coronavirus.

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...X-2-69.pdf

Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS-COV coronavirus infection and spread.
22 Aug 2005

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Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection. In addition, the indirect immunofluorescence assay described herein represents a simple and rapid method for screening SARS-CoV antiviral compounds.

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Figure 1

Prophylactic (aka preventive) effect of chloroquine. Vero E6 cells pre-treated with chloroquine for 20 hrs. Chloroquine-containing media were removed and the cells were washed with phosphate buffered saline before they were infected with SARS-CoV (0.5 multiplicity of infection) for 1 h. in the absence of chloroquine. Virus was then removed and the cells were maintained in Opti-MEM (Invitrogen) for 16–18 h in the absence of chloroquine. SARS-CoV antigens were stained with virus-specific HMAF, followed by FITC-conjugated secondary antibodies. (A) The concentration of chloroquine used is indicated on the top of each panel. (B) SARS-CoV antigen-positive cells at three random locations were captured by using a digital camera, the number of antigen-positive cells was determined, and the average inhibition was calculated. Percent inhibition was obtained by considering the untreated control as 0% inhibition. The vertical bars represent the range of SEM.

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Figure 2

Post-infection chloroquine treatment reduces SARS-CoV infection and spread. Vero E6 cells were seeded and infected as described for Fig. 1 except that chloroquine was added only after virus adsorption. Cells were maintained in Opti-MEM (Invitrogen) containing chloroquine for 16–18 h, after which they were processed for immunofluorescence. (A) The concentration of chloroquine is indicated on the top. (B) Percent inhibition and SEM were calculated as in Fig. 1B. (C) The effective dose (ED50) was calculated using commercially available software (Grafit, version 4, Erithacus Software).

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#90
Dont take precautions like wearing a mask, setting a bad eg to the hillbillies who blindly following him to horland...still want to blame others for his sheer stupidity
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